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General XR200 Information. |
1998 XR200R |
2000 XR200R |
Model / Year | 79 XR185 | XR200 (not XR200R) | XR200R (81-83 only) | XR200R (84-85 RFVC ) | XR200R (1986) | XR200R (1987 to 2002) | Californian 1998 and later |
Main Jet | 115 | 102 | 138 | ? | 112 | 110 | 102 |
Pilot Jet | n/a | 35 | None * | ? | 38 (35) (98 and later CA only) | 38 | 35 |
Needle
Position (from top down) |
4th groove | 3rd groove | 3rd grove ** | ? | 2nd groove?? | 3rd Groove | 3rd |
Pilot screw setting | 2 1/4 turns out | 1 3/4 turns out | 2 1/2 turns out | ? | 1 1/8 turns out | 1 1/8 turns out | 1 7/8 turns out |
Float Level | ? | 12.5mm | |||||
Carb (Keihin) | PD31A | PD32 | PD28A | ? | PD97A | PD97A | PD97 |
* Alternate sources suggest the
PD28A did have interchangeable pilot jetting
** Honda manual is said to suggest 4th groove
Keihin PD97A Information | ||
Standard | Alternate No. | |
Pilot Jet Type | Keihin N242-21 Overall length: 28mm Thread diamter: 5.9mm Head diameter: 4.9mm |
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Main Jet Type | Keihin 99101-357-xxxx Overall length: 16.5mm Thread diameter: 4.9mm |
Keihin 99113-GHB-xxxx (may supercede 99101-357 jets) |
Needle | ||
Needle Jet |
Popular 2 valve engine mods:
Easiest mods: 1/ Replace the standard filter with a free flowing Uni-Filter, No Toil, Twin Air or similar foam filter. 2/ Remove the Induction Cap (item 11 in image on the right hand side), leaving the Induction Duct (item 10) in place. It may be possible to sensibly modify the Induction Duct (item 10), but keep in mind that it performs a important function in helping to keep dust, mud, water and other debris from entering the airbox. 3/ Rejet - Presuming that all other motor/intake/exhaust components are stock going up 1 jet size on the Pilot and Main Jet from standard seems to be the accepted ballpark rejetting required. 4/ Exhaust - There are a few different aftermarket pipes and header pipes available, but for the cheapest and easiest change grind the weld off the inside of the header where it connects to the head and remove the cap on the rear ( by removing 2 x 8mm bolts ) As with most exhaust modifications, it usually makes the bike louder. Obnoxiously loud or illegal bikes can hurt the sport / passtime. The baffle out of an ATC250R (years?) is meant to be less restrictive and bolts straight in. |
Exhaust:
Boring/Stroking:
CAM | INTAKE | EXHAUST | LSA | Overlap | |||||||||
Open BTDC |
Close ABDC |
Dur @.040 |
Lift | Lobe CL |
Open BBDC |
Close ATDC |
Dur @.040 |
Lift | Lobe CL |
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Powroll 12701N Torque Measured | 23 | 42 | 245 | 0.369 | 102 | 44 | 17 | 241 | 0.365 | 104 | 103 | 40 | |
Powroll 1214N Track | 18 | 43 | 241 | 0.355 | 103 | 41 | 20 | 241 | 0.355 | 100.5 | 101.5 | 38 | |
Powroll P714 measured | 20 | 52 | 252 | 0.365 | 106 | 49 | 23 | 252 | 0.361 | 103 | 104.5 | 43 | |
XR200R measured | 14 | 46 | 240 | 0.321 | 106 | 43 | 21 | 244 | 0.299 | 101 | 103.5 | 35 | |
TLR200 measured | 5 | 32 | 217 | 0.276 | 104 | 31 | 6 | 217 | 0.245 | 90 | 96.75 | 11 | |
Stock (ATC200X) | 8 | 37 | 225? | 0.318 | 104.5 | 40 | 8 | 228 | 0.308 | 106 | 105.25 | 16 | ATC200X
Camshaft 14100-HB5-010 Specs from Megacycle |
Stock (ATC185C) | 6 | 36 | 222 | 0.288 | 105 | 35 | 6 | 221 | 0.270 | 104.5 | 104.75 | 12 | ATC185 Camshaft 14101-958-000 Specs from Megacycle |
Megacycle 143-00 | 17 | 46 | 243 | 0.365 | 104.5 | 46 | 17 | 243 | 0.365 | 105 | 104.5 | 34 | OK
with stock piston and springs. Increases mid-range power and torque. Smooth Idle |
Megacycle 143-20 | 34 | 59 | 273 | 0.370 | 102.5 | 59 | 34 | 273 | 0.370 | 102.5 | 102.5 | 68 | Use
modified piston and springs. Best all around cam. Great mid-range and added top-end. |
Megacycle 143-40 | 30 | 62 | 272 | 0.435 | 106 | 62 | 30 | 272 | 0.435 | 106 | 106 | 60 | Full
race cam. Use racing piston and springs. Maximum mid-range and top-end power. Must cut cylinder head for lobe clearance. Use E/D228-H valve spring kit |
CRF230L (http://www.rickramsey.net/CRF230L.htm) |
5 | 30 | 215 | 35 | 5 | 220 | 10 |
Cam | Intake | Exhaust | Notes | ||||
Duration | Duration @ .050" |
Lift | Duration | Duration @ .050" |
Lift | ||
Webcam 40b | 266° | 237° | 0.340 | 266° | 237° | 0.340 | Good mid and upper end performance for stock engines |
Webcam 89a | 270° | 240° | 0.362 | 270° | 240° | 0.362 | Good mid and upper end performance. Requires exhaust system, high compression piston and performance valve springs |
Webcam 214 | 280° | 250° | 0.375 | 280° | 250° | 0.375 | Broad power range for high compression racing engines. Requires exhaust system, high compression piston and performance valve spring kit. |
Webcam 172 | 288° | 262° | 0.395 | 288° | 262° | 0.395 | Broad power range for high compression racing engines. Requires exhaust system, high compression piston, and performance valve spring kit. Check ALL clearances! |
Webcam 232/172 | 288° | 262° | 0.435 | 288° | 262° | 0.395 | Racing cam designed to take advantage of larger valves and the latest port flow technology. Requires exhaust system, high compression piston and performance valve spring kit. Check ALL clearances. |
Lighting:
* You may be able to upgrade early 6Volt XRs by changing to a
12Volt AC regulator and swapping bulbs.
Motor
information Links:
* Chuck
@ Thumpertalk's
218 build page (Fantastic post,
a must read)
Micro Fiche's:
So'Cal XR's Parts Fiche online
- http://www.socalxrs.com/Parts%20Fiche%20XR200/index.htm
2 Valve Motor Cylinder Heads | |||||||||||||||||||||||
Top mount width |
79 | 80 | 81 | 82 | 83 | 84 | 85 | 86 | 87 | 88 | 90 | 91 | 93 | 94 | 95 | 96 | 97 | 98 | 99 | 00 | 01 | 02 | |
12000-427-305 | 42mm? | XR185 XL185S |
XR200 XL185S ATC185* |
XR200 XL185S ATC185* ATC200* |
XR200 XL185S ATC185* ATC200* ATC200E* |
XL185S ATC200* ATC200E* |
ATC200M* ATC200E* ATC200S |
ATC200M* ATC200S |
ATC200S |
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12000-KA2-305 | ??mm | XR200R |
XR200R |
XR200 XL200R XR200R |
XR200 XL200R |
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12000-KTO-305 | 36mm? | XR200R | XR200R | ||||||||||||||||||||
12000-KT0-306 | 36mm? | XR200R | XR200R | XR200R | |||||||||||||||||||
12000-KT0-307 | 36mm? | XR200R | XR200R | XR200R | XR200R | XR200R | XR200R | XR200R | XR200R | XR200R | |||||||||||||
1200-KT0-712 | 36mm? | XR200R | XR200R | ||||||||||||||||||||
12002-965-505 | ??mm | ATC200X** | ATC200X** | ATC200X** |
2 Valve Cylinder Heads and associated parts (No 2 valves in 85,89 & 92) | ||||||||||||||||||||||
79 | 80 | 81 | 82 | 83 | 84 | 86 | 87 | 88 | 90 | 91 | 93 | 94 | 95 | 96 | 97 | 98 | 99 | 00 | 01 | 02 | ||
Cyl. Head |
12100-427-010 | 185(1) | ||||||||||||||||||||
12100-446-772 | 200(1) | 200(1) | 200(1) | 200R(1) | 200R(1) | 200R(1) | 200R(1) | 200R(1) | 200R(1) | 200R(1) | 200R(1) | 200R(1) | 200R(1) | 200R(1) | 200R(1) | 200R(1) | ||||||
12100-KA2-010 | 200R(1) |
200R(1) |
200(1) 200R(1) |
200(1) |
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1200-KT0-000 | 200R(1) | 200R(1) | ||||||||||||||||||||
Head Gasket |
12251-427-P00 | 185(1) | ||||||||||||||||||||
12251-KT0-P00 |
200(1) |
200(1) 200R(1) |
200(1) 200R(1) |
200(1) 200R(1) |
200(1) |
200R(1) |
200R(1) |
200R(1) |
200R(1) |
200R(1) |
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12251-KT0-711 |
200R(1) | 200R(1) | 200R(1) | 200R(1) | 200R(1) | 200R(1) | 200R(1) | 200R(1) | 200R(1) | 200R(1) | ||||||||||||
Base Gasket |
12191-KT0-711 | 185(1) |
200(1) |
200(1) 200R(1) |
200(1) 200R(1) |
200(1) 200R(1) |
200(1) |
200R(1) |
200R(1) |
200R(1) |
200R(1) |
200R(1) |
200R(1) |
200R(1) |
200R(1) |
200R(1) |
200R(1) |
200R(1) |
200R(1) |
200R(1) |
200R(1) |
200R(1) |
12191-KT0-710 | 200R(1) | 200R(1) | ||||||||||||||||||||
94301-10200 Dowell (10x20) |
185(3) |
200(3) |
200(3) 200R(3) |
200(3) 200R(3) |
200(3) 200R(3) |
200(3) |
200R(3) |
200R(3) |
200R(3) |
200R(3) |
200R(3) |
200R(2) |
200R(2) |
200R(2) |
200R(2) |
200R(2) |
200R(2) |
200R(2) |
200R(2) |
200R(2) |
200R(2) |
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91301-200-000 O-Ring (10x1.6) |
185(1) |
200(1) |
200(1) 200R(1) |
200(1) 200R(1) |
200(1) 200R(1) |
200(1) |
200R(1) |
200R(1) |
200R(1) |
200R(1) |
200R(1) |
2 Valve Motor Identification:
Early
motors are painted black inside and
out.
The
left case near the center (by the oil
drain) has the engine serial number,
the first four characters are the model code. The numbers under this
are the
serial number.
Two
valve Model motor codes:
MD02 -
XL185S B-D (USA / Canada)
MD06 -
XL200R D-E
MD09 -
TLR 200 D-H
MD10 -
XL200 FMD (New Zealand)
ME02 -
XR185 Z / XR 200 B-E 79-84
ME04 -
XR200R B-D 81-83
ME05 -
XR200R E-J + L-P (84-88,90-93
to #5705049)
ME05 -
XR200R R-2 (94-02 #5705049 and
on)
TB01 -
ATC185 A / S B-D
TB05 -
ATC200 B-D /E C-D / X D-H /S
E-G /M E-F /ES E-F
TD05 -
ATC200E C-E /ES E-F /X D-H
TD05 -
ATC200E C-E /ES E-F /X D-H
TE03 -
TRX200E /SX F-J
TE17 -
TRX200 L-M Fourtrax / D M-P
Fourtrax
To identify the model year, Honda has added some logic to their model
names. The last character refers to the year, also tenth character in
the VIN.
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Redbook
guide for ME05E models:
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XR200 Parts Links & Info
Honda Part Numbers Explanation
Changing 2 valve XR200 Crank timing chain sprockets
Getting the Clutch cover back onto your 2 Valve XR200
XR200 Wheel Bearings
Item. | XR200R 81-2002 * |
Rear left bearing | Sealed 6303 (47mm OD x 17mm ID x 14mm Wide) |
Rear right bearing | Sealed 6203 ( 40mm OD x 17mm ID x 12mm Wide) |
Rear Dust Seal | Oil Seal 25x40x7 |
Front left bearing | Sealed 6202 (15x35x11) |
Front right bearing | Sealed 6202 (15x35x11) |
Rear Dust Seal | Oil Seal 20x35x7 (Arai) |
* Years 1993, 2000, 2001 Checked on Honda Microfiches (AU)
Tip: Aluminium ring in front of bearing on the real wheel is a screwed retainer and needs to be unscrewed, not driven out.
XR200R Suspension Parts
Forks
79-83 XR185/200/R's used Kayaba 35mm
damper rod forks.
84-02 XR200R forks are all Kayaba 36mm damper rod forks, they varied in
design as shown by the table below.
Year | Travel | Damper
Rod (Pipe, Seat) |
Stanchion (Pipe Comp Front Fork) |
R
Slider (Case Comp RH) |
L
Slider (Case Comp LH) |
Springs (Spring Front Cushion) |
Rebound Springs | Spacers |
84 | 10.0" | 51440-KK0-004 | 51410-KK0-004 | 51420-KK0-004 | 51520-KK0-004 | 51401-KK0-004
& 51402-KK0-004 (two springs each leg) |
51411-KK0-004 | N/A |
85 | 10.0" | 51440-KK0-004 | 51410-KK0-004 | 51420-KK0-004 | 51520-KK0-004 | 51411-KK0-004 | N/A | |
86 | 10.0" | 51440-KT0-671 | 51410-KK0-004 | 51420-KK0-004 | 51520-KK0-004 | 51401-KT0-671 single two rate springs each leg |
51411-KK0-004 | N/A |
87 | 10.0" | 51440-KT0-671 | 51410-KK0-004 | 51420-KK0-004 | 51520-KK0-004 | 51401-KT0-671 single two rate springs each leg |
51411-KK0-004 | N/A |
88 | 10.0" | 51440-KT0-671 | 51410-KK0-004 | 51420-KK0-004 | 51520-KK0-004 | 51401-KT0-671 single two rate springs each leg |
51411-KK0-004 | N/A |
Not Made | ------ | ------ | ------ | ------ | ------ | ------- | ------- | ------ |
90 | 10.0" | 51440-KT0-671 | 51410-KK0-004 | 51420-KK0-004 | 51520-KK0-004 | 51401-KT0-831 | 51411-KK0-004 | N/A |
91 | 10.0" | 51440-KT0-671 | 51410-KK0-004 | 51420-KK0-004 | 51520-KK0-004 | 51401-KT0-831 | 51411-KK0-004 | N/A |
Not Made | ------ | ------ | ------ | ------ | ------ | ------ | ------ | ------ |
93 | 8.2" | All: 51440-KT0-671 U: 51440-KT0-691 |
All: 51410-KT0-004 U: 51410-KT0-691 |
51420-KK0-004 | 515420-KK0-004 | All:
51401-KT0-831 U: 51401-KT0-691 |
51411-KK0-004 | 51402-ML0-004 |
94 | 8.2" | U & All: 51440-KT0-691 | U & All: 51410-KT0-691 | 51420-KK0-004 | 515420-KK0-004 | U & All: 51401-KT0-691 | 51411-KK0-004 | U & All:
51402-ML0-004 |
95 | 8.2" | U & All: 51440-KT0-691 | U & All: 51410-KT0-691 | 51420-KK0-014 | 51520-KK0-014 | U & All: 51401-KT0-691 | 51411-KK0-004 | U & All: 51402-ML0-004 |
96 | 8.2" | U & All: 51440-KT0-691 | U & All: 51410-KT0-691 | 51420-KK0-014 | 51520-KK0-014 | U & All: 51401-KT0-691 | 51411-KK0-004 | U & All: 51402-ML0-004 |
97 | 8.2" | 51440-KT0-691 | 51410-KT0-691 | 51420-KK0-014 | 51520-KK0-014 | 51401-KT0-691 | 51411-KK0-004 | U & All: 51402-ML0-004 |
98 | 8.2" | 51440-KT0-691 | 51410-KT0-691 | 51420-KK0-014 | 51520-KK0-014 | 51401-KT0-691 | 51411-KK0-004 | U & All: 51402-ML0-004 |
99 | 8.2" | 51440-KT0-691 | 51410-KT0-691 | 51420-KK0-014 | 51520-KK0-014 | 51401-KT0-691 | 51411-KK0-004 | U & All: 51402-ML0-004 |
00 | ? | 51440-KT0-691 | 51410-KT0-691 | 51420-KK0-014 | 51520-KK0-014 | 51401-KT0-691 | 51411-KK0-004 | U & All: 51402-ML0-004 |
01 | ? | 51440-KT0-691 | 51410-KT0-691 | 51420-KK0-014 | 51520-KK0-014 | 51401-KT0-691 | 51411-KK0-004 | U & All: 51402-ML0-004 |
02 | ? | 51440-KT0-691 | 51510-KT0-691 | 51420-KK0-014 | 51520-KK0-014 | 51401_KT0-691 | 51411-KK0-004 | U & All: 51402-ML0-004 |
U:
Australia
Table
compiled from info at
https://www.thumpertalk.com/forums/topic/1224768-year-2000-xr200r/
& Various other resources (Green is checked with
AU Honda Fiches)
(checked with online
fiches)
Year | Fluid | Nominal level | Min Level | Max Level |
86-91 | 350cc (11.8oz) of ATF | 150mm (5.9") | 170mm (6.7") | 140mm (5.5") |
93-99 | 377cc (12.8oz) of ATF | 116mm (4.6") | 159mm (6.3") | 108mm (4.3") |
YEAR | SPRING NUMBER | SHOCK NUMBER |
81 | ? | 52410-KA2-681 |
82 | ? | |
83 | ? | |
84 | ? | 52410-KK0-014 |
85 | ? | |
86 | 52401-KT0-671 | 52410-KT0-771 (Replaces -671) |
87 | ||
88 | 52401-KT0-681ZA
(R119 red) |
52410-KT0-682 (Replaces -681) |
90 | ||
91 | ||
93 | 52401-KT0-691 | 52410-KT0-691 |
94 | ||
95 | 52401-KT0-761 | |
96 | ||
96 | 52401-KT0-A01 | |
97 | ||
98 | ||
99 | ||
00 | ||
01 | ||
02 |
Old School Al's (OSA) Cam chain tensioner mod:
I've recently been working on a
2000 XR200R that had a slipped camchain resulting in bent valves.
I can only assume this bike was again the victim of the XR200R's
reliability and ridden mercilessly until it finally stopped. During this project I've learn't alot about these little XR's, much of which is from reading posts on thumpertalk by Chuck, Old School Al and several others that post over there. They are, and there is a wealth of knowledge over there on these great little bikes. During the process for obvious reasons I went over the entire camchain/sprocket and tensioner assemblies. The chain had been slapping around and had chewed the camchain cavity in the cylinder some and both gears were clearly worn and required replacing. After reading a bunch on how to tension the chain it became apparent that over time the tensioner set bar (6) and or spring (5) can get worn or lose tension respectively. Upon inspection the tensioner set bar (6) it was found to have a number of sharp gouges/marks in it that appeared to have been caused by the collars (10). Old School Al came up with a suggestion that I'm going to try. (Refer to this post at thumpertalk) He removed the two collars/wedges (10) using a magnet to get the top one and a shop vacuum cleaner to get the second lower one. Please note that he used a piece of wire poked in the threaded M3 hole in the top of the tensioner set bar (6) and bent to the side to try and capture it as it got sucked out. As Al mentiones in his post it may also pay to empty the vacuum bag beforehand just in case it ends up in there. I had the sidecover, flywheel and camchain off mine so I carefully used some mechanics picks to get them out. Once you have the collars (10) out, use a dremel or similar to smooth out and radius the sharp chamfered edges of the hole on the angled side of the locks cleaning them up with a small sanding disc or emery paper afterwards, don't go crazy just get rid or the sharp edges. This should stop them damaging the tensioner set bar (6) when they are tightened/clamped to the correct torque spec. (19NM / 14fl/lb ???) On mine the one shown I will either clean the damage up on the tensioner set bar (6) pictured below, or possible even replace it with a new unit. Some of the Damage is highlighted with a red circle. Note: There is an M3 threaded hole in the end of the tensioner set bar (10). The M6x10 bolt and washer (15 & 13) can be removed and a M3 (length?) bolt can be wound in to allow manual adjustment if the assembly is sticky. I'm more in favour of getting the adjuster working as intended for my project.
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General consensus on basic DIY porting seems to be as follows:
Intake: Clean up and casting marks or dags left over from the casting process Port match intake manifold/insulator with the head (Install the manifold mark where there metal protrudes, remove then match and blend) Don't polish the intake, the rough finish / dimples ecourages fuel deposited on the port walls to evaporate quickly and can alter flow something akin to dimples on a golf ball. The intake port to the right shows examples of casting marks and a runner that can be cleaned and blended. Exhaust: Clean up port casting marks or dags Port match exhaust port to the header pipe Polishing (smooth finishing) is considered a good thing with the exhaust ports because of the dry gas flow and helping to minimise by product build up. Using around 400grit paper and a light buff is considered by some as "near optimal" for smooth finishing. Around 80 to 120grit appears to be the consensus for intake port finishing. Chamber: The surface in a combustion chamber should be smooth to promote heat retention in the chamber and prevent detonation hot spots from shar edges and rough surfaces. Polishing theory: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cylinder_head_porting |
Year | XR200 | XR200R |
1980 | ? | |
1981 | ? | ? * |
1982 | ? | Yes |
1983 | ? | ? * |
1984 | ? | Yes |
1985 | Yes | |
1986 | Yes | |
1987 | no | |
1988 | no |
* 2001 XR200R models are said to have a problem where the crank slips out of alignment due to a fit problem from the factory, causing the lower sprocket to "wobble" causing the camchain to start "slapping" which eventually results in the tensioner breaking at the bottom. Old School Al over at Thumpertalk has seen this happen and heard or several others doing the same thing. On this model it has been suggested that it is worthwhile to ensure the end of the crank is running true. Rotate the crankshaft and watch the flywheel, if it's bent enough to break tensioner / guide it should be evident by eye.
* Pre '97 in models in particular are known to have kickstart gear failures. It is important to keep the anti decompression mechanism operating and adjusted correctly to minimise stress on the gears during starting.